Not sure about that but these are flying out the door at an amazing rate. The price (£795 ubntil christmas then £875)is very very enticing and so far if it fits you and you want plastic then its very hard to buy anything else as it seems to perform just the way you want it to and expect. If however the weight of plastic and the lightness through the water of composite make you look for something else then the Northshore Atlantic in composite at £1650 until Christmas and then £1775 is also an excellent buy and it made in the UK not Thailand or China so when times are tough you can support British Industry without having to pay the price.